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Hydraulic Valves

Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 1:16 pm
by Rock Barchfeld
My hydraulic pump has started to short cycle, cycles about every 45-60 sec. Inspection shows no external or internal leakage, however after some experimentation, turns out it only cycles about every 5-6 min airborne with the gear handle UP. Flap position does not seem to make a difference. Seems to me a good place to start is the gear valve, I'm thinking it's by-passing internally. It could be an actuator bypassing in the down position, but I think that would more likely show up as a leak.
Consulting the build manual all it shows is the gear and flap valves bolt onto the central valve body with o-rings sealing the mating surfaces. I did not build this plane, nor have I ever had a reason, up till now, to access these valves. Question for those familiar with these controls: Can the gear and flap valves rebuilt, or just replaced? Can they be rebuilt in the field or need be sent off somewhere? Any "gotchas" associated with removal/installation?
Thanks for any input.

Rock

Re: Hydraulic Valves

Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 12:06 pm
by Tom Sullivan
I tore mine apart for a similar issue. I removed it to work on it but otherwise it wasn’t real complicated. I found the valve is actually a flat disc and o-ring that aligns with ports to move the fluid appropriately. I found a minor scratch on one of my flat discs and sanded it out with 600 grit, then 1,000 grit sandpaper and reassembled it. That fixed my problem.

I actually have hydraulic gauges for my up and down functions of my gear so I can monitor what’s actually happening with my pump and pressures. It allows me to verify the hysteresis is correct. That same feature on my door seal verified a pressure control was too sensitive, creating the same issue with the door seal. I installed an adjustable pressure switch (adjustable for both high and low limits), virtually eliminating that problem.

Tom

Re: Hydraulic Valves

Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 11:00 pm
by Rock Barchfeld
You Da Man! Your description describes what I had envisioned from the Build Manual. As near as I can determine, my valves have been untouched since 2009, (more likely much earlier). I suspect my issue is worn, 15 year old, O-Rings, but you never know. Should you wish to achieve "Godlike Status", you could provide me an O-Ring size and "Dash" number... Just kidding, I was a product engineer for a hydraulic company, so have a little background on O-Rings.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions, I hope the fly in at Pelston comes together, see you there.

Rock

Re: Hydraulic Valves

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:43 pm
by Tom Sullivan
Rock,

"God like status" is not happening on this one. :lol: I never documented the o-ring sizes, as I was able to reuse them. Maybe YOU could document them when you tackle this project and get that status yourself. ;)

I'm checking with Matt Speare on the status of the Pellston Fly-in. I have some logistical issues to straighten out but at about an 80% chance I will make it, if it's not cancelled.

Tom