Replacing Brake Pads or Inspecting Pads on High Energy Calipers

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All,

So I installed the High Energy brake pads on my ES. Yes, if you can get a pair of these calipers, you should. More stopping power for sure. But what you will learn is that the pads fit over rivets on the backing plates whereas on other models the pads are attached to the pressure plate. What does this mean to you? When you are reassembling the caliper and sliding it into position you have to keep the pads on the inner plate attached or they could come off; especially if you are jiggling the assembly along some dirty anchor bolts. Therefore throughly clean all parts with a can of brake cleaner, (protect your eyes from splash back) and lightly lube the anchor bolt. Oh, it always helps to squeeze in the caliper piston using a C clamp with protective ends to prevent damaging the caliper piston insulators. The caliper doesn't come off when you are simply inspecting the wheel assembly and cleaning/re packing the wheel bearings therefore it is important to clean as much of the caliper assembly as possible.

Now the reassembly trick. As you are sliding the caliper assembly forward along the anchor bolts I used a washer holder as its thin and has a great deal of spring/flexibility to it and it can reach in to hold and keep the inner pads on the pressure plate. Once you get the caliper assembly up against the disc you can slide your tool out. Then gently feed in the bolts, (yes, all 4 of them) until the threads are protruding enough to get the insulator (this is not on the standard brake assembly) to hang on the threads. Then slide the back plate/lining as carefully as one can from the bottom or top and using your tool you can maneuver it into place enough to get the bolt threads started. Tighten the bolts enough to keep the pads from coming off their rivets. Remove your tool and repeat the process with the remaining back plate. If you discover that the wheel will not rotate there is a chance that one of the pads came off it's rivet on the pressure plate (likely) and you can't see it, but it took up the room up against the disc. You will have to disassemble and start again; ask me how I know? Look at the pics attached.
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Great writeup George! How much of a stopping difference are you seeing?

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Actually significantly more. I have not quantified it yet. But I noticed that I am going through a set of pads quite quickly. So those are going on order again. The other thing is that doing a high power RunUp these pads don't hold as well as the traditional brakes do. Not sure if they need more heat to function properly or what.
tomthibault
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George, did you condition the pads right after installation. When I did that, it made a huge difference in holding for a run-up.
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Definitely a 'hold your tongue just right' task
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tomthibault wrote:George, did you condition the pads right after installation. When I did that, it made a huge difference in holding for a run-up.
I did a couple of hot runs down the runway and that seemed to work.


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JamesMunafo
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George,

"Yes, if you can get a pair of these calipers, you should. More stopping power for sure." I have been looking for the upgrade high energy kit for my Cleveland brakes (which seem very anemic), but have had a real challenge finding kit #199-124 A from Parker (Cleveland), the "A" referrers to just the upgrade kit, not the entire assembly. I don't know if your are referring to only changing the calipers to high energy ones, and not an entire upgrade kit?

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Hi James,

I did get a set of these calipers and I need to replace the pads already. We were right these brakes to stop incredibly well. But I also noticed that the pads were much quicker :-). I guess that comes at the cost of better stopping powers.


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I am looking for a pair of the High Energy brake pads and Calipers for my ES as George suggested. If anyone knows where to get these, please let me know.

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I believe the community would benefit from my experience: I had a good experience dealing with Grove and Robbie (owner of Grove Aircraft Landing Gear Systems, Inc.). Robbie Grove posted in another forum:

“Grove Aircraft has a caliper that is the same as the Cleveland upgrade. This caliper works with a .500 thick brake disc. It also has the metallic linings as well as the heat insulators. This caliper will run at a much higher temp then the caliper with the organic linings. The part number is 37-27M. You will also have to change the torque plate which is slightly different then the Cleveland. The torque plate part number is 020-003. Paul Miller can get these parts for the people that need them.”

I ordered both the 37-27M caliper and the 020-003 torque plate; they work great! It comes with Rapco Pads which are metallic. Robbie suggested a specific brake in process to seat the pads that are a bit different than what I read about in general on-line sources. He owns a Lancair 4P so understands our issues with the original anemic brakes that might have come with some of our older planes.

I also had Robbie Grove install upgraded O-Rings in the Calipers, and I used a higher quality brake hydraulic fluid for heat tolerance. I would suggest installing the Viton O-rings and use some type of upgraded hydraulic brake fluid to increase heat tolerance from 275 to about 400 F, (MiL-PRF 87257, or MIL-PRF 83282). See the article in KITPLANES by Reinhard Metz-May 21, 2020 which covers this issue and the solutions.

I would forget trying to deal with Cleveland. It was a big waste of time. I spent months trying to get someone to give me a quote and finally received one but had to go a reseller like Aircraft Spruce. The lead-time they quoted was a min of over 12 months and they were more expensive. I was told by Vern, that they had not made those specific parts for over 3 years.

I hope this info is a benefit to others.

James Munafo Jr.
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